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How strong is GT Goku?; I have a couple of people i need to prove wrong
Topic Started: Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM (1,820 Views)
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Okay i'm on the youtube comment sections here arguing with a couple punks who think they know everything (obviously not) and i need to put a topic to bed here.. and that is how strong GT Base Goku really is

What they are saying - "base GT goku is = ssj3 goku buu saga"

Meaning goku base GT (in their opinion) x400 times that of Base Goku buu saga right? (50x2x4=400)
So if goku base GT was to go ssj3 for example it would make him 160,000 times stronger than that of himself base buu saga?
Now if saying the ssj4 form had the multiplier of 10 for arguments sake it would make ssj4 Goku 1,160,000x stronger than his base form in Buu saga

I'm sorry is that not totally ridiculous?

For starters on the original dub and other original guides it says Gt started 5 years after Z ended. Z ended with goku going to train uub. So in the 5 years goku was training uub his base form somehow magically got x400 times stronger.. That seems very plausible *enter sarcasm here*

please tell me i'm not going crazy and i'm 100% correct calling this total BS? or am i missing on something completely?

Also these guys are using DBZ games to 'prove' how strong broly is i.e Putting him up against ssj gogeta in the budokai 3 opening and knocking him back

I'm seriously pulling my hair out it's like arguing with children who cannot admit their wrong..
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Beginning of GT Base Goku = Oob. I have them somewhere from Kid Boo to Bootenks. It just depends on how I am feeling. After that, Base Goku's power gets massive.
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My advice: Stop debating about GT. Its power scaling is all over the damn place. You could probably claim Goku compares to any Boo arc character you want and nobody would be able to prove you wrong. :p
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Apr 19 2014, 11:12 PM
My advice: Stop debating about GT. Its power scaling is all over the damn place. You could probably claim Goku compares to any Boo arc character you want and nobody would be able to prove you wrong. :p
I would.

My advice is the opposite. Sit down and consider everything while trying not to inject your bias into it. That's the only way to successfully get anything out of a GT debate, or any debate in general.
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Those "punks" ain't lying to you my friend.

Base Goku was sparring on par with Uub who at that time had to at least be as strong as Pure Buu if Goku thought their training was sufficient but even that is the minimum Base Goku can be. Some people have him even stronger than that.

Also, there is no set multiplier for SSJ4. It's stated to be a potential unlock so it's power increase can vary from person to person.
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Gt Goku energy output is insane

Gt scales from the anime which is stronger than the canon(manga)his energy output is astronomically high

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Kid buu already has an energy of 10^44(energy of a supernova.)

In gt his base is either equal to are stronger than kid buu.

Just using his base alone if he uses kkx20 his energy output is equal to 2^45 that's insane amount of energy and then ssj4 in the baby arc the accepted multiplier is 10x and add to the fact that goku can use his 10x khh which would make his power output 10^46 which is a hypernova and that's just the baby saga where he gets even stronger as the sagas go on.

Gt Goku is an absolute beast just imagine how strong ssj4 gogeta is lol
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No it doesn't make sense.. how can 5 years of training uub somehow make base goku x400 times stronger than his Z self? Between cell saga and the world martial arts tournament (was it 7/8 years?) goku went through some seriously intense training sessions imaginable.. and that was with his dead body which i'm pretty sure is different from his regular body and even his power didn't increase by x400.. you'd think it would've been around x8 (his ssj form then x2 for getting ssj2 and the x4 from getting ssj3... 2x4=8) at the very least and that wouldn't be by factoring in his base and ssj improvements in power. so bare minimum just from the 2 transformations he unlocked would've been total as x8 so how can 5 years training uub amount to x400 increase?

There is no sense in these numbers... i need to quit debating GT :( :( :(
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RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 11:44 PM
No it doesn't make sense.. how can 5 years of training uub somehow make base goku x400 times stronger than his Z self? Between cell saga and the world martial arts tournament (was it 7/8 years?) goku went through some seriously intense training sessions imaginable.. and that was with his dead body which i'm pretty sure is different from his regular body and even his power didn't increase by x400.. you'd think it would've been around x8 (his ssj form then x2 for getting ssj2 and the x4 from getting ssj3... 2x4=8) at the very least and that wouldn't be by factoring in his base and ssj improvements in power. so bare minimum just from the 2 transformations he unlocked would've been total as x8 so how can 5 years training uub amount to x400 increase?

There is no sense in these numbers... i need to quit debating GT :( :( :(
Training gains aren't consistent my friend. Even in Z. In the 3 year gap between Trunks and the Androids, Goku hardly makes a big gain and Piccolo goes from being around Base Goku to rivaling all the Android Saga SSJ's.

And besides, a lot of people already believe EoZ Base Goku = Kid Buu so GT Base Goku being stronger than that wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Espically if you believe Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo.
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Training gains aren't consistent my friend. Even in Z. In the 3 year gap between Trunks and the Androids, Goku hardly makes a big gain and Piccolo goes from being around Base Goku to rivaling all the Android Saga SSJ's.

And besides, a lot of people already believe EoZ Base Goku = Kid Buu so GT Base Goku being stronger than that wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Espically if you believe Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo.


yes i know but a x400 power increase is just too wild a number.. i mean he was training with uub, not to say uub wasn't strong or anything like that but it was nothing capable of increasing gokus power 400fold. What would've made that 5 year training session so hard that it would up gokus power level by x400? surely a considerable amount of time would have been teaching buu the basics of martial arts and fighting.. harnessing ki and developing techniques which would have taking a year or 2 max.. any training done in 3/4 years to up gokus power by x400 surely would've destroyed the solar system.. if not earth.. AT LEAST... right?

i dunno i can't connect the dots on this one, i just don't see what was so special about those 5 years..
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I go by BoGT Base Goku ~ SSJ3 Boo Arc Goku. Seems about right with GT's overpowering nature.
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GT shouldn't be that hard to scale honestly. The only problem I've run into is SSJ Bebi Gohan being beaten by base Goku, and even then I just assume he's suppressed in that instance. Goku's anywhere between SSJ3 Goku+ to Buuhan+ level depending on how you interpret things.
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There's one simple answer to this and it's the truth: GT is a side-story, much like the movies. It's only supposed to follow Z loosely.
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Base GT goku>buuhan. Base EOZ goku was already nearing ssj3 buu saga goku. Gains aren't consistent so don't worry about him getting over 600x stronger in 5 years
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RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
Okay i'm on the youtube comment sections here arguing with a couple punks
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RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
What they are saying - "base GT goku is = ssj3 goku buu saga"
Some believe [EoZ] Base Goku = [Buu Arc] SSJ3 Goku... and that is completely viable. It really isn't inconceivable to believe that [BoGT] Base Goku... who spars with a character who, at the very least, should be equal to Kid Buu at this point... could be equal to or superior to his [Buu Arc] SSJ3 self.

RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
Meaning goku base GT (in their opinion) x400 times that of Base Goku buu saga right? (50x2x4=400)
So if goku base GT was to go ssj3 for example it would make him 160,000 times stronger than that of himself base buu saga?
Now if saying the ssj4 form had the multiplier of 10 for arguments sake it would make ssj4 Goku 1,160,000x stronger than his base form in Buu saga

I'm sorry is that not totally ridiculous?
You would think someone who seems to be so concerned with numbers would realize that the SEG multipliers are... inadequately simple... when trying to accurately assign numbers to DB/Z/GT. But, for discussions sake, let's say we blindly apply them to this situation... and go with "[Buu Arc] SSJ3 Goku = [BoGT] Base Goku" requiring a 400x increase in power.

A 400x increase over the course of 15 years (20 if you go with the American dub)... doesn't seem so ridiculous when you consider the following training gains:
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    4-5 years of training: 3 with Goku+Gohan, 1-2 alone (I assume)

    From 2nd form Freeza level (generally theorized as around 1 million'ish) to level by which he was confident to take on opponents superior to [Post-Yardrat] SSJ Goku (generally theorized as around 200 million'ish) would imply an increase of roughly 200x... in 4-5 years
Compare this to Goku having 15 years; 5 of which are training with a sparring partner (in Uub), and 10 of which are about to be filled with unknown BoG-extension adventures... and 400x doesn't seem so unreachable.

RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
For starters on the original dub and other original guides it says Gt started 5 years after Z ended. Z ended with goku going to train uub. So in the 5 years goku was training uub his base form somehow magically got x400 times stronger.. That seems very plausible *enter sarcasm here*
GT starts 5 years (10 in American dub) after the End of Z... which is 10 years after the Buu Arc... so 15 years (20 if you go with the American dub) of training.

RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
please tell me i'm not going crazy and i'm 100% correct calling this total BS? or am i missing on something completely?
You're not crazy but you aren't right either.

[BoGT] Base Goku = [Buu Arc] SSJ3 Goku is completely viable, and many would consider it as underestimating Goku's strength.

RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
Also these guys are using DBZ games to 'prove' how strong broly is i.e Putting him up against ssj gogeta in the budokai 3 opening and knocking him back
Yea well... that's just silly.

RyanLynch01
Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM
I'm seriously pulling my hair out it's like arguing with children who cannot admit their wrong..
It might be a little hard to admit being wrong when your conclusion is completely viable.


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Apr 20 2014, 12:11 AM
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Training gains aren't consistent my friend. Even in Z. In the 3 year gap between Trunks and the Androids, Goku hardly makes a big gain and Piccolo goes from being around Base Goku to rivaling all the Android Saga SSJ's.

And besides, a lot of people already believe EoZ Base Goku = Kid Buu so GT Base Goku being stronger than that wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Espically if you believe Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo.


yes i know but a x400 power increase is just too wild a number.. i mean he was training with uub, not to say uub wasn't strong or anything like that but it was nothing capable of increasing gokus power 400fold. What would've made that 5 year training session so hard that it would up gokus power level by x400? surely a considerable amount of time would have been teaching buu the basics of martial arts and fighting.. harnessing ki and developing techniques which would have taking a year or 2 max.. any training done in 3/4 years to up gokus power by x400 surely would've destroyed the solar system.. if not earth.. AT LEAST... right?

i dunno i can't connect the dots on this one, i just don't see what was so special about those 5 years..
Dude, gaps 90% of the time don't have to make sense. Piccolo made a 100X gain in 3 years and he's not even a Saiyan. What makes those years special? Goku pretty much ditched his friends and family to train with this scrawny kid and knowing Goku, all he does is train. Is that really impossible? No, it's perfectly fesible especially considering EoZ Base Goku was around SSJ2/SSJ3 level in Base.

Not to sound rude or anything but you shouldn't use fan-made numbers in debates like these. They tend not to hold much weight in threads.
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